Madarsko - Hungary

[DrX]

Prace na 1.7-km useku madarskej M30 napajajucej sa na nasu R4 v Tornyosnemeti maju zacat v druhej polke maja a skoncit do konca 2017 (pokial BING a GOOGLE dobre prelozili ). Vychod teda bude zas o kus blizsie k Europe.
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthrea ... t132299888
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[marian vančo]

Tak ked 1,7 km urobia dokonca r. 2017...kedy budú postavené zvyšné kilometre po Miskolc???

[richie]

hm .. podla (minulorocneho ?) vyhlasenia Orbana, by mali byt do 2018 dokoncene prepojenia na statne hranice (nie len Miskolc, ale aj na Ukrajinu, Rumunsko ...) .. ale to boli len politicke vyhlasenia .. kedy tam maju byt nejake volby ?

[kares]

"kedy tam maju byt nejake volby ?" - ak sa nic nestane, tak v roku 2018

[DrX]

Zda sa, ze stale plati, ze usek M30 Miskolc-Tornyosnemeti chcu Madari dostavat v najblizsich rokoch. A vlastne chcu mat celu svoju cast "Via Carpatia" coskoro hotovu, teda podla prekladov tohoto tu:
http://index.hu/gazdasag/2016/05/09/eze ... es_jovore/

Bing:
These dedicated tracks, roads improve this year and next year

This year's 160 billion dollar budget for the next year instead of the 280 billion forint of the popular road improvements, wrote in Monday's issue of the world economy. The Ministry of information, citing National Development writes:

In September, is expected to be handed over to the M86-Hegyfalu-Csorna, Szombathely, the motorway will be completed with this fully and South Croydon.
The M85 – was, and then to the border to access improvements in May with the second Csornát bypass.
The second half may begin the M30 represented 1.7 km connecting the Tornyosnémetit section of the building. The M30 Lies in the next few years will be built on the borders.
The M35-Warrington section of building up under the summer already.
According to the plans may appear in the M2 Budapest-VAC and the M4 Brettyóújfalu-Nagykereki, i.e. the Hungarian-Romanian border section of the tender kiírásai.
The M30, M35 and the M4 road development in the Eastern Slovakia, Poland and Hungary regions with each other and seaports connecting Hungary Via Carpatia route sections of the full length kiépülnek.
It is expected that may appear in the Szolnokot off M4 motorway M0-Cegled is necessary for connection of the Békéscsaba and M44 Kondoros-project calls of the public procurement section Tiszakürt-.
At the end of thejear written off the M4 between Los Angeles and the procedure for the implementation of section award of Barcelona

Google:
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[DrX]

Pokial translatory neklamu, tak M30 Miskolc-Tornyosnemeti je zaradene medzi prioritne projekty madarskej vlady na najblizsie roky:
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost. ... count=7195
V sprave je linka na vladne PDF, ktore ma tabulku:

The Integrated Operational Programme for Transport Development Named priority projects
18. IKOP-1.1.0-15 M30 Miskolc–Tornyosnémeti közötti szakasz megvalósítása 147,6 (90% becsült támogatási intenzitás szerint csökkentett összeg) 2×2 sávos autópálya építése

Cize asi, ze sa idu stavat 2x2 pruhy a ze to bude stat 148mld Forint cize cca 500mil EUR (cize cena jedneho tuneloveho bochvatu na ***).

[i15]

9mil € /km... držím palce, nech sa to podarí. Ale som skeptický, keď vidím, ako sa naťahuje krátky úsek pri hraniciach

[aquila]

aj na nasom enviroportali skoncili nejake podklady pre usek M2 vac - hranica, je tam dost vela mapiek, aj celkova situacia, pre nas je zaujimava mapka hranicneho useku. su tam aj dalsie varianty, ktore boli zvazovane.

aj sirka M2 je skor na urovni nasej RC, kedze sirka v korune je 24,6 metra. cize nieco ako R4 na vychode.

zarovne je tam vidno, ze M30 neni pre nich az taka priorita, cize tam budeme radi, ked urobia aspon polprofil

[DrX]

aquila, zajimave info. Akurat to o M30 je podla vsetkeho dohad na hony vzdialeny od reality:

M30
Some update about M30:

A short section from Tornyosnémeti to the border will be built until the end of 2017.

Preperation works are started for the section Miskolc - Tornyosnémeti too. It will be a 60 km highway with 2x2 lanes and an emergency lane. It will have 7 junctions (Szikszó-dél, Szikszó-észak, Halmaj, Ináncs, Encs, Garadna, Hernádszurdok) and 3 rest areas.

Hopefully it will be built until 2019.
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[gorol]

A jak to vypadá s M15 ? Je něco nového ?

[aquila]

drx: uprimne pochybujem, ze to bude do 2019 rozostavane (okrem toho kratkeho 1,5km na hraniciach)

[DrX]

Nemam problem stavit sa o 100EUR, ze do r. 2019 bude ten kratky usek pri hraniciach hotovy, a ten zvysok rozostavany minimalne spolovice (tj, ze bude prebiehat vystavba na usekoch, ktore predstavuju minimalne polovicu tych chybajucich 60km). Je to lahka lacna dialnica, a madarska vlada oficialne oznamila ambiciu dokoncit dialnice po hranice, takze toto je pre nich lahka volba. A uz len to, ze sa dokazu politicky vysmiat Slovensku, ze oni spojili BA a KE, im za tych 200mil EUR bude stat (my za ten cas akurat za tu cenu predlzime jeden tunel).

[devil]

tak to by som neriskoval.....

[i15]

Možno nás Maďari prekvapia. Na skyscrapercity fóre píšu, že dnes boli vyhlásené tendre na M35 Debrecen - Berettyjóújfalu a M4 Berettyjóújfalu - RO hranica. Čiže výrazný posun na Via Carpathia, kam patrí aj M30. A určite je tá M30 užitočnejšia, ako M6 na Moháč, ktorú pred časom plánovali

[richie]

tak aj ja sa postavim do radu optimistov .. ten kratky usek je snad jasny a do konca 2018 by aj mohol byt odovzdany a podla ohlasov na inych forach nie je neralne, aby do 2019-20 boli hotove aj ostatne useky M30 a dokonca aj M15 .. teda podla mna je celkom realna predstava spojenia KE - BP - BA do 2020 .. dufam ..

[DrX]

Ked google dobre prelozil, tak aj ked su nejake obavy ohladom papierovaciek/schvalovaciek, este stale sa ocakava, ze M30 Miskolc-SK sa dokonci do 2019 v plnom profile aj s odstavnym pruhom.

http://www.napi.hu/magyar_vallalatok/go ... 16289.html

Problems around the new highway
Our primary goal is that by the end of this year compilation of the M30 motorway section between Miskolc and the Slovakian border settlement plans, and you will have a good chance next spring to begin construction of the road towards Kosice - said Ervin Demeter, Borsod-Abaúj-Zemplén county government agent.
MTI, Thursday 16th June 2016, 13:38

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If "we can not do it on time to the highway, then others can take the money for this."

Catherine frying pan, Fidesz parliamentary representative had this to say: we are on the right track, if we develop our road network, because it also promotes the economic growth of the region. Although the design of the highway has begun, "a lot of special authorities issue arose after twenty municipalities affected by this section."

Demeter Ervin recalled that a few weeks ago announced results in the design application. Sixty-kilometer section between Miskolc and Tornyosnémeti the M30 is part of the "Via Carpatia" plan, which was adopted by Poland, Lithuania, Slovakia. The essence of the plan through the European transport network through a shorter route building. The M30 motorway M3 highway connecting Miskolc expressway, it built towards the border. The twice two lanes, referee stopping lane is sixty kilometer stretch of 45 objects, seven nodes in a complex and is based on two simple furniture.

Prime Minister Viktor Orban last April in Miskolc briefing held under the modern city program announced the construction of the road. As you said, the Miskolc-Kosice euro region live about one million, the construction of highway between the two cities has long been awaited. The highway from Košice to the border has been completed, we need to Miskolc commence the construction, construction is expected to be completed from 2018-2019, the government spent 150 billion forints to invest.

[richie]

tak tak .. nech na to tlacia .. a zda sa ze aj M15 dostala zelenu
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost. ... count=7350
teda stale zostavam optimista, ze KE-BA cez BP bude do konca 2019

[DrX]

hej, je super, ze M15 je v CEF: http://ec.europa.eu/transport/themes/in ... che-hu.pdf

A tu je aktualna mapa stavu pripravy a vystavby madarskych dialnic:
http://i.imgur.com/494PRyg.jpg

[bodrik]

Vidím správne, že je na tej mape nakreslená nejaká RK smerujúca k SK hranici pri Čiernej n. Tisou?
Dobre viditeľné je to najmä pri zväčšení mapy.
Viete o tom niekto niečo?

[DrX]

Povodne madari na spojenie smerom Cop/Uzhorod len zlepsili jednotku od Nyiregyhazy a dokoncili jej obchvat. Teraz sa ale zjavne rozhodli, ze kedze chcu, aby cez Madarsko fakt jazdila vsetka tranzitna doprava, ktoru tam vedia dotiahnut, tak Cop/Uzhorod napoja na M3 dialnicou tiez. Preto je tam ta vetva. Pre Ciernu je to ale dost nanic, lebo z Ciernej sa priamo do Madarska nedostanes, a ak by si siel cez Cop, tak 2x prechadzas hranice Sengenu.

Inak ale fakt je dobre si z tej mapy pozriet, ako vyzera dokoncena vnutrostatna dialnicna siet (co Slovensko nema, aj ked Blavastan ma) a ako to vyzera, ked sa teraz zameriavaju na prepojenie hranic, aby fakt obsluhovali medzinarodny tranzit.

[bodrik]

To o čom ja píšem je ale ďalšia odbočka z diaľnice vedúcej do Čopu a vedie zjavne do Čiernej n. Tisou. O diaľnici do Čopu viem, toto ma ale dosť prekvapilo, lebo netuším o čo ide.

[bodrik]

Dobre viditeľné je to pri zväčšení. V okolí maďarského prekladiska Záhony sa diaľnica rozdeľuje na dve vetvy. Jedna smeruje k Čopu a jedna k Čiernej n. Tisou.

[i15]

tá diaľnica na Čop bude pravdepodobne hotová skôr, ako M3 na Berehovo

[marian vančo]

Veľké Trakany...dedinka cca 1 km južne od Čiernej n. Tisou...tam je prechod do Madarska...Zemplenagard...takže z CnT sa da dostať do Madarska celkom bez problemov a ak už nie z CnT tak z Pribenika...tam je tiež nový hraničný prechod...osobne by som preferoval dialnične prepojenie Hatvan-Salgotarjan a prepojka z M3 na Eger resp Szolnok...to su vetvy, ktore su doležite, kedže cesty do týchto miest nie najkvalitnejšie. Predpokldam, že najskor začnu stavať Debrecen-Rumunske hranice.

[eric987]

Heh, madati idu zo Zahony robit uzol ako nas Svrcinovec (akurat ze ten madarsky je trocha prirodzenejsi a lezi v trocha priaznivejsom terene), ked uz ide o o hranicu medzi 3 statmi, preco nespravit apendix aj ku Ciernej ?